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Time again for the TotalFark Writer's Workshop. If you are new to TF and would like to see a little bit of what we do here, check out the archived threads, conveniently collected by TFWW regular andyofne:
We meet every Tuesday. An email notification is sent out when a new thread posts and if you would like to receive it, just let me know. Even though we generally begin with a topic, we aren't very structured in how we run the workshop. If you have a question or would like to post a bit of a story for critique, by all means go for it. If you look back at previous workshops, I think you will see that you can expect honest and straightforward opinions.
If you missed the last thread it is available here:
There was a strong current for critique and inspiration in the last thread. Let's face it, as writers, our art is pretty much useless without readers, and we're pretty much useless without ideas.
So, I guess this week is a two pronged approach to trying to get folks to connect--and TFWW.org has a nice upload feature so that you can link us something that you would like to have given the once over. Alternatively, we can make more direct hook ups within thread, and find folks who are willing to look at your stuff, and give it a look see, and then brace yourself for the critique.
I am not an easy critic. I do think I'm a fair critic, and one of the keys to good critiques is to not just read what is on the page, but what one feels the intention is as well. A good critique isn't just about judging what is on the page, but helping the author find the right voice, the right words, and see past just what is there, but the potential for a piece as well. That being said, what is on the page already is the important part, but a good critique isn't about tearing a piece apart, and looking for weakness, it's about helping the author find its strengths and to help develop those as well.
The other current, and this is one that has plagued writers for a while: inspiration. What moves you to sit down to write? What is going to make you park your ass in a chair for a few hours and plunk down words onto phosphor or a page? For some, it's a solid gold idea, one that just fills them with delight. For some, it's characters who you want to see more of. For some, it's about the flow of the language. Inspiration means a lot of things. The article linked is a laundry list to help you find some inspiration, but I think it misses a basic point about the process.
But, I think, it also ignores the one real truism about writing: it's work. And, work means that we can't always wait for a divine moment. Sometimes, like mowing the lawn or cleaning the bathroom, you just have to sit down, even if you don't feel like it, and just get some words on the page.
Stephen King's essential screed, On Writing stresses this part of the process. While a lot of folks may think that King has long jumped the shark, you cannot dismiss the man's amazing prolificity. Shorts. Novels. Non-fiction. Essays. Screenplays. Comic scripts. The man has done a ton of work, and the only way you can really do that, like John D. MacDonald's even longer and more prolific career, is to sit down and write. When you're tired. When you're cranky. When your blood sugar is low. When you'd rather be outside with the dog. When you're happy. When you're melancholy. In that, there really is no short cut. Ideas will come, when you're accustomed to sitting your ass down and putting your head into gear. Will it all be ambrosia? Will it all be wonderful? Hardly. But, even if you aren't churning out ideas that you're completely happy with, you're learning. You're practicing. You're mining that headbone for what it has worth mining. And while not all the ideas are going to be amazing, you can certainly glean from these sessions something, perhaps later.
Most of the work I've done has come in fits and starts. Not all of the bits are great, but the daily grind does teach one to just sit down and take some time. To give yourself the time. That, in itself, is a reward. While not all of the sessions make it into finished work, there are bits and pieces that I've salvaged from failed or less than productive sessions that have survived to other pieces. In part, and it was the focus of an article last week on NPR, because while we have a plethora of information, what we rarely seem to have nowadays is time. To process. To think. Yes, we've great information, but little time to absorb and reflect. Our skill sets are for processing information, quickly, and in part, that's the opposite of the writer's craft. A reporter, certainly, but even reporters need time to distill and reflect, and then process things.
Writing is a great way of taking half formed ideas and working them through. And that takes time. That takes some reflection. Not just a blaze of inspiration that floods pages with words, but sometimes you need contemplation too. I like to think of writing sessions as almost a sort of meditation. Of working out ideas onto a page, and while sometimes that gets directed in a particular direction, sometimes it means just meandering.
As writers, we cannot be afraid to meander. To wander even. To go off task, and just sort of noodle around a bit. It's when you free up your thinking and allow yourself to let go, that you can find inspiration all the easier. We have to have the courage to trust our mental processes to do their thing, and let our fingers and mind sort of do their trick, and let the words find us. Chasing them down, that's well and good, but that sometimes imposes a lot of ideas that quash the real spark of creativity to find us.
Time again for the TotalFark Writer's Workshop. If you are new to TF and would like to see a little bit of what we do here, check out the archived threads, conveniently collected by TFWW regular andyofne:
We meet every Tuesday--or at least we used to. An email notification is sent out when a new thread posts and if you would like to receive it, just let me know. Even though we generally begin with a topic, we aren't very structured in how we run the workshop. If you have a question or would like to post a bit of a story for critique, by all means go for it. If you look back at previous workshops, I think you will see that you can expect honest and straightforward opinions.
If you missed the last thread it is available here:
Our fearless progenitor is on sabbatical for a bit, at least where TF is concerned, and has asked that andyofne and I pick this puppy back up again. Unfortunately, because of my new job, Tuesdays simply aren't an option for me, so I'm hoping that a shift to Wednesdays will work out for folks. That, and I'll be popping things back up again around 1-2ish EST so that we can hopefully catch folks during the day--you know, when you're usually Farking off.
If anyone did NOT get the reminder for the thread, and would like to, drop me a mail and I'll get you put on the list. If you DID receive the update, and would like to drop me a mail, and I'll take your name off the list.
So, we're back and running, but my own sabbatical--stoopid restaurant openings and staffing them and stoopid tap systems that have to be tested, and waitstaff to hire and oogle--means that I haven't been as involved as I was a few months ago.
Which begs the question: what are folks really looking for here?
Development? Practice and feedback? Encouragement and some support? Readers? Critiques? Snark? A certain Dutch bastiche coming in and mucking the place up a bit? Resource material? News from the markets? General discussions?
I know, it puts folks on the spot a bit, but TFWW is about serving the TFWW, and I've been gone for a bit, so I'm hoping for some feedback in how we can make these sessions work for you.
Dear friends and members of the Totalfark Writers Workshop mailing list,
Old Chief Scott's subscription lapsed and he has decided to take a hiatus from totalfark. This means that he will not be able to continue with the TFWW, which he started 103 threads ago. Normally, I'd rely on TFer Hubiestubert to jump in and take the lead for the Tuesday thread, but alas, he is otherwise occupied on Tuesdays.
So, for today, I'm going to be sending out the notification and posting the thread. God have mercy upon us all.
If you receive this message and would like to be removed from the weekly notification list, please reply back to me and I'll take care of it.
Forgive the duplicate notices as we transition to the mailing list. Thanks!
Today is Tuesday, so it must be time for another weekly edition of the TotalFark Writer's Workshop. This is a place where writers can stop in to celebrate or commiserate and maybe get some advice or a shot in the arm to keep going. We send out an email to those interested in being notified when the new thread posts. Just go over to TFWW.org and click on the "Mailing List" to sign up.
So...
I have been waiting for a particular magazine to re-open for submissions. I reviewed their submission guidelines and re-formatted my story to match their preferred style. I prepared a self-addressed stamped envelope, got a big envelope and got the right postage for it, and then I re-read my story for one last check for typos or format problems and then...
I froze.
I have read and re-read this story so many times I can no longer judge whether it is worth sending out or not. I can't be detached from it enough to form a critical evaluation of it anymore. I'll probably still send it out in the next day or two. After all, no sense letting that $1.83 in postage go to waste, but still, losing confidence in your story sucks.
It must be Tuesday at approximately 12:00 PM Pacific Time because that's when we post each new edition of the Workshop, a place where TFers that want to write, try to write, or write but lack purpose meet to commiserate and offer each other encouragement and assistance. If you have asked to receive it, you have also gotten an email letting you know that the thread has posted. If you want to be notified let me know. Be aware, however, that as of July 1st, the notification will be accomplished via the mailing list at TFWW.org. To sign up, just go to TFWW.org and select "Mailing List" from the navigation bar at the top of the screen. To get off the list you go to the same place.
OK then, on to this week's discussion. I've compiled the words some of you provided from our last Workshop into the following list:
Now I know I said in today's headline 500 words or less but that's not a hard, fast rule. But, how challenging will it be to work those 15 words into a cohesive story of the shortest possible length? And that is the challenge. Write a short story using all fifteen words to be posted on the July 1 workshop. You can post your story in-thread, at TFWW.org, or provide a link to a place of your choosing. If you are really feeling a glutton for punishment, use the words in the order provided! Hell, if somebody comes across with a story of 500 words or less that uses all 15 words in that order, maybe I'll spring for a month of TF as a prize.
Hello everyone and welcome to the centennial edition of the TFWW. I never quite imagined it would go this far when we started, but as long as it provides encouragement, assistance, and a place for those too busy to be involved with a "meat world" writer's group, I think we will keep it going.
Before we get started on this week's thread, I think it is important to stop for a moment and recognize a couple of people that have really stood behind the idea of the Workshop and have put some effort into keeping it going. Tfer hubiestubert thought that the idea of the workshop was important enough that he stepped up to perform the hosting duties when your's truly needed to take some time away from TF. For several months he kept coming up with topics, posting them and letting everyone know when the new thread had started via our mailing list. Without him, TFWW would have died out at around episode 45 or thereabouts, so thanks for keeping it going hubiestubert.
The second individual I would like to recognize is andyofne. He has been a contributor since thread #1 and has hosted a couple of times when your regular host has been, well, let's just say "unable to post" and leave it at that, shall we? He also set up TFWW.org, which was intended to serve as a place for writers to post their work while retaining all rights to it. It also served as a way to post work which might violate Fark's posting guidelines, such as erotica and the like. If you haven't been over there, you should stop by and check it out. It also has links to all of the old TFWW threads in case you are curious.
Before I launch into this week's discussion, there is just one more item I need to cover. We have been emailing those interested in being notified when the new thread posts from a list that hubiestubert or I have been maintaining. This is starting to get a little cumbersome to do. There are a lot of names on it that I don't see on TF anymore and although no one has contacted me to be removed from the list, I'm sure there are some that no longer care to receive the notification. To that end, andyofne has enabled a new feature at TFWW.org where you can sign up or unlist as you desire. Go to TFWW.org and look at the menu bar on the top of the page and you will see "Mailing List". Click and follow the directions. I'll put this word out for the next two weeks but after that all notification will be done via TFWW.org.
So, a couple of people have been kind of cracking their knuckles thinking it's time we had another writing exercise and the one-hundredth thread sounds like as good a reason as any, so here is what we are going to do:
Each TFer currently on the mailing list for TFWW will provide a word. A name, a place, a verb, whatever you like. You can provide your word in this thread or you can email it to me by replying to the notification email.
I will make a list of those words in the order in which they are received.
Each TFer will use every word on the list to come up with a story which we will unveil one month from today, July 1st.
Naturally, this will be more difficult the more words we have of the greatest variety, so I hope all of you that have been participating lately will contribute. The deadline for providing your word will be this Friday, June 6, no later than 9:00 AM Pacific Time. I will post a thread with the word list and send out a notification email. This will also be a way to involve other TFers that might want to have a little fun writing a story.
OK, then, for today, give me your word and then tell me what you would like to see on future editions of the workshop.
Hello everyone and welcome to the ongoing saga that is the TotalFark Writer's Workshop. I completely screwed up thinking today was going to be Tuesday, so we are a little bit off but I didn't want the week to go by without a meeting.
Our weekly meetings are intended to be a place where those writing, or perhaps struggling to write, can meet to discuss and commiserate. If you are seeing this thread for the first time, a new one posts every Tuesday at approximately 12:00 Pacific Time. Email notification is sent out to those that ask to receive it, and an index of our previous meetings can be found at TFWW.org.
It seems that we have had a lot of new folks at the last several meetings of the 'ol workshop, and I thought it might be a good time for folks to tell us a little about what they write, genre, length, style, whatever you feel free to share. The reason I bring this up from time to time is in hopes of TFers getting hooked up with other TFers that have parallel writing interests. Perhaps you could offer each other proofreading and editing, or maybe just some read and critique, or maybe you will team up like Niven and Pournelle or something and write a series of books that appeal to a broad market and be able to quit your day jobs and buy a cabin in Oregon and travel the world to do signings and appear at conferences and...
Well, maybe some proofreading anyway.
Personally, I write mostly Historical Fiction. I have several finished short stories that I am looking to find a print home for and several more in various states of completion. I have a novel that is pretty close to finished, and two others started and an idea of what I would like to do for a fourth. I'm figuring that will keep me pretty busy for a couple of years at least.
Hello everyone and welcome to yet another edition of the TotalFark Writer's Workshop. We meet here each Tuesday at Noon Pacific Time (give or take a couple of hours) and an email notification is sent to anyone that wants it, just speak up in the thread and I'll add you to the list. To get a look at some of the other TFWW threads, go to TFWW.org, hosted, maintained and otherwise looked after by andyofne. We usually get started with a subject that I kind of pull out of my ass, but we don't mind threadjacking here as long as we keep it in the context of writing and publishing. The purpose of the TFWW is to help each other in attaining our goals, whatever they might be.
So last week one day I was in a thread that was asking about your wildest dreams in terms of actual things you wanted to accomplish. Several people in the thread commented that they wanted to write, but for whatever reason they didn't and that struck me as a little odd. They had access to a computer, so they wouldn't have to chisel their book into stone or even use paper and a typewriter. So what is it that keeps them, and maybe you, from setting out on a little literary journey? I would like to hear why you don't write when part of you obviously wants to. Maybe we can change your mind.
Yes, it’s that time once again on TotalFark where the wannabe writers gather. If you are seeing this for the first time, we do this every Tuesday at about 12:00 Pacific Time, give or take a couple of hours. An email notification is sent when a new thread posts so if you want someone to let you know so you can join in, just say so and I’ll add you to the list. When andyofne gets back from his vacation, we are going to look into sending the notice via TFWW.org. This is also a good place to look at past TFWW threads, since they are all conveniently archived there.
Although we typically start with a topic to get things going, threadjacking is allowed here as long as we keep the subject matter somewhere within the realm of writing and publishing.
On topic for today, I have a friend that is waiting for a phone call today from a literary agent. She has been querying her book for several months now while continuing to cut and edit. It’s a big book, we’re talking “Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell” sized here. While she has been very realistic about her chances as a first time author getting representation for such a large tome, she has had several requests for partials and fulls. In the last two weeks, she has been in contact with an agent she considers her “dream agent”. He has been reading her book and has talked to her on the phone and requested that she send him a synopsis of her other projects. Now, sometime today, she is probably going to find out if he wants to take her on as a client. I have helped her with editing and proofreading over the last three years and I think she has a great book. It is set in a time period and location I care nothing about, but she is an excellent writer and had me hooked by the end of chapter one. I think I am nearly as nervous as she is!
So, is anyone else out there querying/submitting right now? Have any rejection stories or acceptance triumphs to share?